Chat 1 Transcript
Welcome to Women's Online Week!
Judy: David - how are you today? you have been working very hard!
helen: I could play with this all day!
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david: Lets put it this way Im getting there
Jo: Guest - where are you from?
helen: erica - where are you?
Erica: Helen and Judy I'm here.
Judy: David is the person who has done the fantastic technical work on the site..
Julie: David, congrats.
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Jo: Congratulations to David, he has trully put in the hard yards! And look at the success!
Pauline: H Jo where are you from
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Judy: Hi Kathy, Hi Mags - welcome!
Jo: Pauline - from the wonderful office of the National Women' Justice Coalition listening to hysterical laughter (including yours!)
david: Thanks
helen: kathy - where are you from?
Jo: Kathy - is that Kathy Bail, formerly of HQ?
Erica: does everyone want to do a quick introduction? rather than asking one at a time?
Judy: The launch of Women's Online Week started at 10.30am in Sydney this morning - Kathy were you at the launch?
helen: not particularly
Erica: helen are you in hiding then?
helen: wot's new in the publishing business?
Judy: Dear Erica, an excellent idea, I wonder if this is done with chat or whether chat is even less formal than email lists?
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mags: Yeah, I'm Marg from Mallacoota. I'm working as an Internet Mentor for Uniting our Rural Comunities' Technology & Connumoty Leadership Project.
Judy: Senator Troeth, will be joining us shortly... to officially open this fantastic online event!
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Jo: Hello senator!
Judy: Senator Troeth, welcome!!
Senator: Welcome everyone, Hello Jo.
Erica: Thanks Marg, where's Mallacoota? PS I'm Erica from the Women's Electoral Lobby ACT.
Judy: Senator Toeth is the Parliamentary Secretary for Agriculture, Fisheries and Forestry ...
Senator: Thanks Judy. It's great to be able to chat with women from all over the country.
mags: Erica, Mallacoota is in far east Gippsland on the coast near the NSW/Vic border
Judy: Senator, there is a fantastic picture of you on your web site at http://www.senatortroeth.affa.gov.au in front of your computer!
Julie: Senator, are you attending the Rural Summit this week?
Senator: I have just come the opening session of the Regional Australia Summit where information technology and E-commerce are a strong theme already. I'll be here for most of the three days.
kathy: hi it's kathy bail, I logged on then someone came over to chat IRL & I lost track of the screen...
Erica: Kathy does IRL stand for In Real Life or something else?
Senator: Thanks Judy, I'm glad you liked the picture. Information technology is a relatively new avenue for me but it's the way of the future.
mags: Senator, I hope you listen very carefully to what people in the Regional areas are saying. The message to governments from the Victorian Electorate is very strong. We are not going to let any govt. ride roughshod over us any more.
kathy: I'm sitting in the bulletin office where I now work. Jo yes I used to edit HQ...IRL is in real life
Judy: The Regional Summit is an opportunity for everyone to have input as I understand it. there is information on the web site about how to send suggestions.
Senator: Mags, I can see that messages need to come from the communities themselves, from the bottom up and not imposed on communities from the top down. One of the reasons for the chat room is so that I can listen to what you have to say.
helen: kathy - it's helen L - how does the big time technology work at the bulletin?
Judy: Have people had a look at the chat and discussion program for the week.. ie lots of opportunities
Jo: Kathy - does the Bulletin give you much change to work online?
Senator: The chat session program certainly appears to cater for everyone and I'm really pleased to see that shopping gets a run!
Judy: Kathy, how are we doing - in terms of responsive chatting? having several conversations at once seems like a key skill!
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kathy: hi helen, surprisingly this is not one of the techiest companies...if you hassle for software & other gear you can get it I couldn't do my job without the Internet it's essential
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Jo: Senator - there's a lovely photo of you on your web site, with you in front of a computer - are you involved in promoting women's use ot IT?
Judy: woops, lost the message (!) re WIRED - women in business talking about getting on-line - and a lot of hilarity about online shopping!
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Judy: Not Georgie Sommerset !
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Jo: Hello Bandit - trub - sonia, where are you from?
Senator: Jo, yes I am interested. I have already launched my own website as you have noted. I have done a radio interview just prior to this program talking about women and the web. For women at home or in the country, either on the farm or in a regional town, the communication possibilities are endless.
Georgie: Yes Judy, I'm here!
bandit: I'm from Canberra
Judy: Senator Troeth is with us in the chat - for those who have just joined us..
Jo: Senator - I agree. Hopefully we will get lots on women on line for the Regional, Rural and Remote threaded message session that also starts today...
trub: and I'm from sunny Tasmania
Georgie: Hello all - I'm on our beef cattle property in southern Queensland
cwaofvic: Congratulations to the developers of this program from cwaofvic
Julie: Jo, agree it's a great photo of Senator on her website
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Judy: Is that the Country Womens Association of Victoria -online.. FANTASTICO!
david: Thanks for the picture Senator from your Website. I have just put it into your Bibliography on this site
Senator: I am going to have to leave the chat session at this stage to catch a plane. I wish I could stay for longer as I am really enjoying this and I wish all you all the best for the rest of this week. If you would like to communicate further you can contact me through my website at www.senatortroeth.affa.gov.au.
Jo: Georgie - are you going to get online for the Regional, Rural and Remote threaded message?
Georgie: Thanks for attending and here's hoping people do use email to contact you Senator
Judy: Thankyou Senator - wonderful that you were able to join us ... and I hope you might join us again during the week particularly during the discussion on women online in regional, rural and remote Australia
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Judy: We are expecting people coming out of the launch of Women's Week Online to join us in the chat shortly
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Georgie: I will try to Jo - I love IT's ability to cut out travel for rural and regional people
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Erica: georgie on the travel issue, do you ever use chat for meetings and things? i've always been fascinated that it might be able to be used like that, but the conversations always seem to splinter in a million directions!
Judy: Hi Bub, did you hear about this on Welink?
cwaofvic: cwaofvic has own web site at cwaofvic.asn.au and is investigating the development of a chat line
Erica: cwaofvic and then would you use it for meetings, or just as a generally open chat room?
Jo: Sonia - sorry I didn't catch where you are from?
Judy: Is that the first CWA site on the web? I have searched before and only found references not actual sites
Georgie: Erica I think it is very workable but you need to be able to follow a few conversations - I am hoping to use it more this year with boith our local beef marketing group and the Qld Rural Women's network - I have done a few of the Farmnwide chats in the past few years
kathy: One of my concerns is that we're all going to get so caught up in ecommerce - shop till you drop - and the communication/discussionpotential will be lost We have to stake out territory for talk & activisms
cwaofvic: cwa would be using it to create interaction with members and encourage use of IT
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Georgie: I think one of the great things kathy is being able to talk more - at less cost - with more people
Erica: that window destroyed message looks very permanent
Georgie: With our beef gorup we would look at a private chat room for just our members
Erica: kathy did you hear the discussion at the newcastle writers festival about activism on line?
Judy: Mmm... error messages across computer systems could do with some sorting out so they arent so terrifying!
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kathy: georgie me too, erica, i missed that is there a transcript online?
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Judy: Georgie - with chat rooms people actually have to be online - isn't the cost a bit issue and speed- but then many the functionality is worth trying it..
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Georgie: Judy there are so many places now that do have reasonably priced access - we will in a month or so - but compare 2 hours at $7/hr compared to driving for 2 hrs and back and the fuel for starters
Julie: Hi Zang, where are you from
Zang: Julie, I'm from Canberra
Georgie: Drawbacks include the missing the benefits of face to face but at management level where soem trust had previously been established, it could be very effective.
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Bub: hi everyone i'm from WEE WAA NSW
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mags: HI, I'm back accidentally disconnected my modem.
Pauline: Hi Sandy and Terry where are you from
Terry: Carnarvon West Aust
Judy: Georgie - yep I get the point, with face to face I suppose that takes us to videoconferenceing
Julie: Zang, you just missed Senator Troeth - she was on-line
sandy: sw Victoria
Georgie: Mmmm, but the cost does get a bit prohibitive and I would need to travel an hour to use a public facility
Zang: Julie, It's good to see a politician coming online
sandy: will there be any other guest speakers? Had trouble signing on
Jo: All - how are you finding this chat facility? Do you think it is a worthful think for women to use for communicating?
Zang: Julie, What did she have to say?
sonia: <Sonia> This is miy first ever chat! I am from the Rural Women's Network in Orange. Thanks to Judy Harrison for her great networking I found out how to go about this and have sent it on to lots of other rural women!
Terry: Think it's a great idea to get rural women connected but would like more time to use it.
Erica: zang, not an awful lot, but she was interested in the shopping online discussion.
Judy: Housekeeping: We have just had a call from Juliana Ngiam Online Australia who is at the WOW! launch in Sydney - the launch is running a bit over time ... but they are doing a big promo about this chat right now... woo ...
Georgie: I think chat sessions are one of the best ways of accessing decision makers and have used them for this before - through Farmwide
Jo: Sonia - well done! There is also a threaded message session dedicated to rural women - should give that a try too!
Bub: I don't normally chat live online because it wastes a lot of time and is expebbns ive
Georgie: Hi Sonia - how are you going?
Zang: Sonia, I agree with you - networking make a bif difference. You can have the communication but people need to how to access this communication.
Jo: Georgie - is it the immedicacy of chats thats useful?
JJ: Re shopping online, there's some great info at http://www.dcita.gov.au/shoponline
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Judy: Georgie - because the chat is rapid fire and there are things coming in all directions do you think that they are useful for discussion and providing input?
Georgie: Jo, I think it is gettin an answer and it is much easier for me to type in questions that get a meeting and stnad up and ask them!
Terry: This is just like talking face to face, that is there are three conversations going on at any given time.
Jo: welcome Supriya!! Where are you logged in?
sandy: Hi Supriya, how is the case study going?
Georgie: Judy, yes, if people are prepared to keep talking!!
JJ: Terry - or more...
Terry: yes, plenty of listeners I think
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Terry: Hi Ann
sonia: <sonia> This is a bit frantic keeping up with all the messages!
Jo: Georgie - so, chatting like this puts everyone on the same footing! Every one is in it together..
Supriya: Hi Sandy and Jo. Glad to be here. Just completed the study of gender, design and electronic commerce and it is going out for review.
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helen: had to leave for a while - great to see you on line ann - wot's your news?
Zang: Erica, Is that all she had to say? She musn't have been on for long.
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Judy: Georgie - it is also about typing speeds (did I mention I am wearing my Grrls Need Modems Tee Shirt today..)
Georgie: Yes Jo, and you can be anonymous if you want to be!!
Judy: Woo... two windows destroyed (!)
Bub: i love using the internet for online banking ,email ,shopping & fun
trub: Thanks for this...off to a meeting
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Georgie: Judy, Tru but as long as seplling dosn't matter ....
sandy: sorry I missed the launch, will try to get in on some of the forums and chat. Thanks to everyone for what I'm sure will be a very interesting week!!
Zang: How many of you know each other in person?
Terry: I'm addicted to the internet for banking and communication as well. It does mean a lot less exercise though. The only muscles I have now are in my fingers.
Erica: Zang, just about, and no she wasn't here for long, I think she just stopped by between two other meetings.
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Jo: Georgie - and more gets done at Farmwide meetings!
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helen: how do you tell who is who?
Zang: Where was the Senator from? What does she do?
Erica: Zang, I know helen and judy and assuming that Jo is who I think she is, Jo as well.
Judy: And the test is - how many conversations can people respond to in one posting? (I am smiling but I don't' know how to do one of those smily thingos)
Georgie: Helen, you don't!! I know some of you, not others, but this doesn't stop me talking
Jo: ALL- does anyone else use chattiing or email for Board Meetings, how effective is it?
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Erica: :-) or ;-)
helen: i feel like singing - getting to know you, getting to know you, getting to know all about you...
Bub: online banking is even more convenient than telephone banking :-)
Erica: helen i'm not sure you can sing on chat.
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Jo: I can hear them!!
sonia: <sonia>seemed to have dropped off... not sure where I am now... is this the general site or rural women's discussion?
helen: when i am with you, getting to know what to say
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Jo: Sonia - this is the general site. rural women's discussion is not a chat but a threaded message (works like an email list)
Georgie: Sonia, you are back where you were
Zang: Helen, what are you going on about?
Supriya: Bye for now.
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helen: haven't you noticed, suddenly i'm bright and breezy [despite having no funding to pay the wages]
helen: because of all the wonderful and new
Julie: Zang, Senator's from Vic. Judy mentioned she's a Parliamentary Secretary
Georgie: What else do you all have planned for the week?
helen: things i'm learning about you
Erica: someone get helen a coffee.
helen: day - by - day
ann: hi everyone, the wow launch has just finished. sorry i'm late joining you.
Erica: zang Senator Judity Troeth, Parliamentary Secretary for Agriculture, Fishereis and Forestry, but I don't know what state apart from it's not nsw or the act.
Julie: Ann, how did it go?
Zang: Having no money doesn't matter, just as long as you have high spirits - maybe, even breezy!
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Bub: well this was interesting but I prefer,actually LOVE welink more
Jo: Georgie - probably dropping in for the other chats to rev things up (and hopefully with no singing)!
Jo: Bub - whats welink?
Terry: Time to go back to work Have a good day.
JJ: bye
Jo: BYE TERRY
ann: so well!! all the speakers were excellent. there is a real 'buzz' here
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Georgie: Bye Terry
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Judy: Senator Troeth is a Senator for Victoria. Profiles for all Senators and Members of the House of Reps are on the Australian Parliament House web site at http://www.aph.gov.au
Georgie: What did they speak on Ann - can you summarise?
kathy: i'm back, phone keeps ringing, i think this is called multi tasking. Helen anything new to report on the funding front?
Bub: welink is something i discovered at the Women of the land gathering im Moree
Julie: Judy, she has her own website too, doesn't she?
Erica: zang - helen was referring to the fact that WEL was one of the women's organisations that the government decided not to continue funding for. And I think you'll find that the National Women's Justice Coalition who organised a whole lot of these chats, was another.
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Jo: The NWJC organised all but one chat on the WOW prgram (three cheers to Judy harrison who made it all happen)
Julie: Hip hip hooray
Erica: judy's fab, hip, hip huray, hip hip huray!
Jo: Bub- is welink like an email list?
Zang: Thanks for the clarification Erica
Bub: sorry ,i keep ruuning out of room. its an email list for rural women to communicati ng
kathy: yes trrific work judy
ann: i'm always overwhelmed by the way we women collabotr
Judy: Hi Ann - ie Ann Moffatt who is with Females in Information Technology and Telecommunications
Jo: Bub - have you found welink an effective way to communicate?
Georgie: Welink is an email list which grew out of a research project on women lectronically linking (hence "welink)
Julie: Signing off Julie
Georgie: Bye Julie
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Bub: welink is excellent & has braodened my horizons. It is cheaper than live chat
Judy: Julie - I am loosing the thread - Senator Troeth's web is at http://www.senatortroeth.affa.gov.au/home-contents.html
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ann: i'll try aagin, i'm always overwhelmed by the way we women collaborate. the guys are soooo competitive. we can get much more done by collaboration
Jo: Bub - is it a national wide list?
Pauline: Petal where are you from
Petal: adelaide
Georgie: Welink is international and has women in every state and territoy of Australia, Canada, Ireland, USA, Hong Kong and other wonderful places
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Jo: Geargie and Bub - so welink has been used effectively for lobbying then?
Bub: it started in qld as a research project. I'm addicted now & log on daily
Pauline: Helen you have gone quite have you lost the thread
helen: kathy - you missed the song - read upward - there's nothing new - WEL, along with the NWJC and the Media Centre, didn't get any funding - WEL and the NWJC have the offer of working with OSW and two other orgs - Australian Federation of University Women and Muslim Women's Association, to do some 'capacity building'. The OSW budget for it is $35,000 - not to be confused with any actual money for the groups -
Georgie: Welink's site is www.fbs.qut.edu.au/rwp/
Judy: David - what does the window destroyed message mean
Jo: Bub- I understand about addiction, I used to be addicted to AUSFEM-POLNET, but then couldn;t handle the 101 messages I missed over a weekend...
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Erica: or the increasingly removed nature of the discussion, or all of those post about the bloody republic!
Pauline: I work for WEL, NWJC and the Media Centre so I am starting to get a complex
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ann: hi judy, speak to me again
Zang: Erica, I thought the Federal Government allocated funding to WEL this year. The media reported that they initially didn't receive funding.
Judy: Ann, we are talking...
Jo: Anne - re women working together, we definately can outrun the boys
ann: ;-)
Judy: Ann, tell me about your event in Newcastle on Friday
kathy: pauline maybe it means you're doing something right!
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Petal: hi solveig
solveig: Hi, how are you?
Bub: yes the quantity of emails is a problem-i certainly don't want any more
Erica: zang - depending on which media spin you saw it comes across as different things. But WEL didn't get any organisational funding ie for an office and stuff and didn
Petal: great, beautiful name :-)
Jo: Bub - are you on any other email list?
Bub: petal...that used to be MY nickname for real
ann: we launch the newcastle branch of fitt on friday. fit has 3 objectives, to get more women into the it industry, to help those in the industry to grow, to help all women understand it better.
Petal: its my nick on Dalnet (or Petallica)
Judy: What are people doing for Women's Online Week? are you involved in other events?
Jo: Ann - how can I join?
Bub: no jo one is more than enough but it is fun
Erica: zang - and didn't get any project funding. and instead was told it could access this ill defined pool with a number of other groups to learn to write submissions and stuff, which isn't what we wanted or needed, and won't provide a lot of help in advocating for women.
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helen: i'd like to 'share' my experiences over the last 48 hours. on monday morning i crunched a rib fixing the chook pen after the weekend wind, so i spent yesterday lying in front of the fire, in the hot bath AND learning / practicing how to do a web page - if you want to see an artwork in progress - have a look at http://ozemail.com.au/~nwmc - national women's media centre
Jo: Bub - there is so many about these days (email lists that is). The Australian Virtual Centre for Women and the Law is being launched today which will host up 150 email lists!
Bub: i'm trying to get my mum online..does anyone know of any worthwhile discussion groups she could join on classical music
ann: jo-go to the noie web site. its all there. judy do you have the web adress for wow? you can try thru looksmart ie www.onlinewomen.looksmart.com.au
solveig: I have seen email lists function in really fantastic ways
Erica: judy is there i timelimit on these chats?
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Judy: Bub, maybe sound file collecting would interest her - I have the complete Messiah in midi files from the web!
Jo: Bub - maybe go to abc online (www.abc.net.au or something like that). They will probably have a link to classic FM.
Georgie: Qld Rural Women's Network use email and a list constantly for maintaining contact between everyone
Zang: Erica, we can continue to lobby for funding but we also have to drive things ourselves when this funding doesn't come through. The Government has helped sponsor this chat session which is a great opportunity for women to communicate and flesh out the problems and positive steps women have made.
solveig: people and small groups that have feel terribly isolated and who with email are able to coordinate efforts
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Jo: Geargie - I think it is important for women to utilise email as you do - it is a very effective tool!
ann: bub, there are lots of good sites. one i saw recently was dedicated to violin music-can't remember the url. just use a search engine
Bub: thanks for the classical info
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Judy: Bub, (maybe more relevantly) the Older Women's Network of Australia has a discusion list - if you go to the Virtual Centre web site there are details there and your mother can join the list either online or by (maybe you helping her to) send an email . The Virtual Centre is at http://www.nwjc.org.au/avcwl there is a link from this chat site..
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Jo: solverig - yes, email is an important tool to network and gain support from others, especially if you are in an isolated place.
solveig: I know that for me email has altered my life
ann: hi annie-why did you join us?
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Bub: can i make this typing box longer so i can see the full sentence?
solveig: and it is really interesting how friends and family of mine who hate computers end up not seeing them as a problem anymore once it comes to email
Jo: solveig - if you are interested in joining other email lists go to http://www.nwjc.org.au/avcwl which is the Virtual Centre site, and check out all the email lists already exisiting and being facilitated through the Centre.
Judy: Bub - more on music - the Sydney Opera House has a web site and there maybe links from that - and a search using Ozemail's ANZWERS http://www.anzwers.com.au or my new favorite www.google.com might throw something up.. maybe Helen is going to volunteer to do the first email list which is sung for us all anyway - ie all messages to be in singing form!
kathy: helen, ouch, look after yourself...what sort of things are you planning for the site?
solveig: Yeh - I had a look there - will join up on a couple of lists
Bub: thanks for the virtual centr web address
Pauline: welcome Me Annie and Rosi please let us know where you are from
Jo: solveig - excellent! The Centre is being launched (open for business) today!
annie: to look in to what is happening
Jo: Anne - is it possible to join FITT, do you have an email list?
ann: annie, where are u located?
helen: kathy - i'm planning to recruit you to plan out the framework/ design - nothing like a good editor to identify what's needed and get things in their right sequence
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solveig: to speak of the devil - some email has just come in - will be back in a minute
Zang: Judy, thanks for driving this program, you've done a great job. Are logging off now.
Judy: Annie we are having somewhere between 3 and 7 conversations at the one time (of course)
Jo: solveig - see you soon then
rosie: Rosie from Gympie only be on a short time ,life too busy at present godd technology
annie: I work at OTEN - I am a teacher in Information Technology. I also happen to be OTEN's spokeswomen
rosie: Sorry about the spelling, rosie.
Bub: this is amazing, trying to get mum to log on at her local library
Me: Greetings all from Me - just getting a hold of the conversation here - this is my first chat session.
Georgie: Hello Rosie - hope all is well with you??
Jo: Me- welcome aboard!
Judy: Zang, thanks for the nice words ... I am planning to be online for the duration of this chat ..
ann: hi annie, i'm on the tafe nsw board. there are lots of tafe women at the wow launch & tafe is heavily involved in wow
Georgie: What is OTEN Annie?
Jo: Me - where are you from?
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Bub: why does the phone always ring as soon as i log on?
Me: Hi Jo - Adelaide based.
rosie: All well here but don't have my faxline telsta fixing soon i hope, now on phone line, rosie
kathy: helen, ok, we'll chat later, I'm appalled to say that I'm not working on a website at the moment - I'll start thinking about it...
Jo: Me- I'm from canberra, working on the Australian Virtual Centre for Women and teh Law project. Are you involved in IT?
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annie: OTEN stands for Open Training Education Network. We deliver distance education for DET
Me: Email is great - really creates a cyber global village. I'm not involved in the IT area at all but my computer - particularly internet connection has opened a whole new world for me.
Jo: Annie - are you able to come online for the WOmen in IT Careers Chat Fri 10-12noon (would love tohave you!)
helen: i need to go and do a twidge of work - but i wouldn't be doing my job if i didn't let all the good women on the chat know they can join wel through the webpage at htt://www.wel.org.au
Me: I'm involved in politics .
Jo: Me - have you checked out the WOW! program...thats one way to get involved in IT from your own computer
annie: Yes I'd love to
Erica: annie do you do online teaching and if so what package has tafe nsw gone with?
Me: Jo - no I haven't but I'm interested.
Bub: for remote access we have to pay $7/hr shocking isn't it?
Jo: Annie - great, see you then. We could talk about the role of tafe in promoting women in IT
rosie: i am keen to work on an adult literacy program here around Gympie through qrwn and members any ideas how to identify those in need. Rosie
solveig: Hello me again this is pretty fine - just read the email - fits in quite well with our talk - did you know that the Internet turns 30 years old today!
Jo: Me - go to www.onlinewomen.looksmart.com.au for a full program...and don't forget to write the other chat sessions in your diary!
Bub: happy birthday internet ... i love you :-)
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annie: I want to ask a question? Does anyone have experience in setting a course online or learning online
ann: more importantly, did you know oz built the world's 5th computer. its 50 this yr?
helen: READY - SET - GO - happy birthday to you
helen: happy birthday to you
scotty: Hi, Congratulations firstly to all of you what a fantastic idea
Judy: happy birthday to you
helen: happy birthday to the internet
Me: Thanks Jo - I will do that. Have to get back to other emails now so I be leaving this chat session but revisiting soon. Great idea. ...Happy birthday dear internet - happy birthday to you.
Judy: happy birthday dear internet
Jo: Anne- check out uni web pages...a lot of stuffs online these days
Pauline: Hip Hip hooray
Judy: haapppppppyyyy birthday tooooooo yoUUUUUUoooo
Erica: annie i'm on the flexible learning committee at the university of canberra, can I help.
Jo: blow out the candles now...
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solveig: wishhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
Judy: For she's a jolly good ... internet user
helen: wait for the last line - brilliance takes a minute or two
Jo: now don't tell anyone will you
Bub: i almost joined a virtual university in america for online lessons on the net.
Erica: judy, helen, jo open all the windows, I think you need the fresh air.
kathy: rosie, a friend was doing an adult literacy website in Vic. I'll try to track down the address. He started it about 8 yrs ago, the early net days
solveig: I used to get spanish lessons from a scrabble player in lambda moo
scotty: instant dialogue is great - can we put down who we are and where from?
Jo: Scotty - you first
scotty: I am at LaTrobe Bendigo, in Staff Development and IT E-commerce
Judy: Scotty, good idea - lets to a roll call - from the top starting with the As in your first name...
annie: Yes a lot of unis now have on-line courses. I am more interested in learners and developers expereriences. What works well
Jo: Scotty - have you used chats often
Georgie: Beef cattle producer, Durong, southern Queensland
scotty: No, this is the first time - having a good time!!!
rosie: thanks kathy i'll have to go now . rosie
Jo: Scotty - great! I'm Jo and helped to organised these chat sessions, quite a lot of organising, for sure!
scotty: What are your views on the referendum?
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Bub: hi scotty we have a mixed farm, Narrabri NW NSW
Erica: annie tafe sa used WebCT and have an extensive collection of courses, it is however, all very centralised and controlled. UC has done it in a more organic way with lecturers volunteering to put there stuff up. If you check out the CELTS website at UC it either already has or will have shortly a series of monographs written by academics using WebCt and the results of our student satisfaction survey should be in in the next week or so.
kathy: me too see some of you at other events this week tks again judy bye
Judy: Bye Kathy!
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Jo: Scotty - well this chat is about women and IT, maybe look to Women for an Australian Republic (a purely virtual lobby group) at www.womenrep.dynamite.com.au
solveig: did you see the article on the workshops run at Old Parliament House to educate a group of people about the republic?
Georgie: Thanks Judy, Jo, and all involved - see you at other WOW chats - must go and strike a blow!
Jo: georgie - cherrio!
solveig: There was a big swing towards the republic after the educational workshops .... there really needs to be much more straightforward info out in the public view
helen: LAST LINE: on-line sheilas who DO [creeping back to my letter writing]
ann: slolveig!! the lambda moo!! that brings back memories! is is still going?
annie: Thanks Erica for that info on online delivery
Jo: helen - you do need fresh air
scotty: Thanks for information will check these out - but, would like to hear some personal thoughts - from Australian women
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solveig: yep - lambda is going strong - I hadn't been there for a couple of years went back online about a month ago - and friends and places are still there as if in a timewarp
Jo: Scotty - it will be a sad day in Australian history if the answer is NO..
Jo: TTP - are you about?
Erica: annie i work for the students' association and am happy to report that overwhelmingly students like the flexibility of being able to access lectures notes and things like that. some of the chemistry people have done some amazing things and have seen the results in pass rates. I guess as far as I'm concerned the most important thing about flexible delivery at UC is that its not about cost cutting, but about supplementing the face to face teaching that w
ann: sorry judy-got to go.
scotty: Jo, yes and wouldn't it be great if we had a woman president!!
Jo: Thanks anne - see you again soon.
solveig: who would you nominate for presidency?
scotty: Why me of course Ha Ha
Jo: scotty - only if it were NOT a popular election is it likely that the president will be a women!
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solveig: Hi telfer
Pauline: Scotty I was born in England but have lived here most of my life and am an Australian Citizen and I am definately for a republic however I think people can be made to be scared of change and the vote will be no.
annie: I agree Erica, setting up resources to supplement other delivery modes is the way to go.
Pauline: Hi telfer where are you from
Jo: Annie - Erica - however, physical notes must still be available to students, as some DON"T have email or internet (they sure are missing out)
telfer: Adelaide
solveig: I have seen some interesting models for preferenda on the net - good easy to use voting systems for working out a compromise position for groups that are otherwise at loggerheads... wish I could remember the address
ann: goodbye everyone! Thanks!
scotty: Pauline - so how do we change that? Can we put our ideas out there as citizens of Australia, I am from Scotland and have lived here for 27 years
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Bub: i agree with pauline . am keen for a republic but will vote no because i'd rahe
Jo: Thanks Anne ! Good luck with the FITT launch!
solveig: bye ann
telfer: I wonder if most people realise how important net is to hearing impaired women
Jo: telfer - the net, AND the use of email as a communication device (I really can't advocate email enough!)
Erica: jo the uc model does deliver that mostly, not everything that is said in class is on the internet and not everything on the internet is in class, but the internet stuff is supplementary in almost all undergraduate courses.
Bub: because i'd rather trust the devil I know...
telfer: when hearing loss strikes, a hearing aid and a laptop are what I recommend!!
scotty: solveig, you may be referring tothe irish address it www.wub.ac.uk/mgt/papers/prefer/ and David Newman is the person who is responsible for this
telfer: the isolation of hearin g impaired women is profound
Jo: Erica - great, I thought that would be the case, I asked because some of my lectures have jumped in head first and only provide tutorial notes via email...
Pauline: I'm not sure scotty but I believe if the question was just straight out do you want a Republic it would have a chance. I think at the moment people are very confused and therefore may just elect to leave things as they are. I don't know how to change that.
annie: Erica, I agree
scotty: sorry Solveig - that should be qub not wub
Jo: Telfer - is there an email group/list for hearing impaired women?
Judy: Are people using email to keep in contact with famiy and friends overseas?
Erica: wow that's pretty intense. i hope none of my lecturers are doing that becuase i've never checked my student email account.
Jo: Erica - tell me about it. I usually print off copies for friends without email
Bub: yes judy i do and we email photographs too. so COOL!!!
telfer: not for women only, but they particiate in alt.support.hearing-loss and bit. listserv-deaf
Pauline: Yes Judy I use email to keep in touch with friends in Kathmandu and South Africa
Erica: judy its the only way to keep in touch with my father, you don't even have to know which country he's in in order to speak to him.
scotty: Judy - yes I am and it is absolutely fantastic.
Erica: telfer is there a large hearing impaired community on the net?
solveig: scotty - think you are right there - i will scribble it down now.
telfer: growing...but women are disadvantged because of the cost of harware and continuing costs
Jo: Telfer - there is in fact an email list called WWDA-discussion (women with disabilities Australia) which you can join if you go to the Virtual Centre site where the mail list runs from at http://www.nwjc.org.au/avcwl
scotty: Must sign off now and get some work done - this has been great catch you all soon. Good luckwith the referendum
Judy: I am thinking of doing an email list for my family - particularly to coordinate requests from the kids for things
Bub: bye scotty
Jo: Scotty - come onboard again for another session OK?
annie: The republic is the biggest change in Australia since the referendum. So the issues are very complicated especially if you listen to demates and pros and cons. For myself I looked at the proposed changes to the constitution and my mind was made up. I encourage everyone to do the same.
Erica: i think using email to cooridinate requests from your kids, is probably over the top, Jude.
telfer: thank you
solveig: Judy - yep using email to contact a number of people who have moved overseas - and interstate
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Jo: ms- still about?
scotty: Jo - will do and will keep in touch - this is a fabulous web page and I will forward to my network. I am chair of the Electronic commerce association of central victoria and will certainly advise them of this good stuff. Way to go regional Australia!!!!!!
Jo: Alice - hi
Pauline: Hi Alice where are you from
Bub: what do you mean -coordinate kids requests?
Jo: Scotty - faboo! Also check out NWJC page at www.nwjc.org.au (we are the brains behind the chat)
Alice: I'm in Adelaide Pauline
solveig: Judy - how would that request thing work?
solveig: Sounds hilarious
Jo: Telfer - where are you logged in?
Erica: don't tell me other people are thinking of organising their kids via email?*?
Judy: Bub, money tends to be a key request... ie the urgent need for records yesterday from one of them
telfer: adelaide. on my darling my laptop! at home, retired journalist
Erica: judy did you realise that nick is playing at UC on thursday night!
Jo: Telfer - What area of journalism?
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telfer: I was lit ed of Tiser Adelaide,leder writer and columnist
telfer: leader
Jo: Do you still do reviews?
telfer: dance reviews for the adelaide review
telfer: columns for hearing impaired
Judy: Solveig.. well I haven't got a sure fire plan yet - but things like - if all 5 kids are desparately wanting something and trying to get the drop on the others - it occurs to me that it might help me deflect a bit back to them
Pauline: My husband, son and I used to coordinate all our activities via the email so easy one message to send in fact we just about stopped using the telephone.
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annie: Must leave the chat real soon - great chatting to you. Erica would you like to continue the chat about online delivery another time?
Jo: excellent! Get them all on email. The Virtual Centre also provides email lists, if you have a group you are interested (free by the way, to promote community use of email). See http://www.nwjc.org.au/avcwl
Bub: any thoughts on Macintosh vIBM platforms?
Jo: Annie - see you... best with it all
Erica: annie if you want anything else about WebCT or stuff you can find me at elewis@cts.canberra.edu.au or via the Students' Association at the University of Canberra. Good luck.
Jo: I have to go also - thanks everyone. Catch up at the next chat (tomorrow 12.45-2.45 on Women in Business Online) Cheerio
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Judy: David - could you tell us something about this chat system - how can people set them up themselves?
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Erica: i need to run away and finish my homework. have fun everyone.
Judy: For groups wanting to use this kind of thing ... putting it behind a password protected area would presumably be the way to go so it can be private. It is the kind of thing that would be useful for distance education
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Bub: how private & safe are email discussion groups?
Judy: Bub, good question - and I don't think that most people who participate in them have information about this
david: Hi Judy
david: Well the chat system requires an IRC server
david: It is a little involved
Judy: Maybe we need to divide the question up into email discussion groups of various kinds ie email lists (like Welink, Ausfem-Polnet, we-the-women etc), threaded message boards (which you can see on the chat and discussion page) and other kinds of email discussion - and then IRC facilities like this. I don't know much about IRC but I am pretty familiar with email lists
Bub: how do you find out? I use fictious names but not in one discussion group
Judy: David - I would like to know more
david: IRC is Internet Relay Chat
Judy: Bub - when you join an email discussion group - lets use Welink and Ausfem-Polnet as examples - you would be expecting to see information on the web site or in the list inforamtion about privacy issues
Judy: If the information isn
david: For the version we have you need a UNIX system
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Judy: woops... if the information isnt there then you can ask the list owner - in the case of Ausfem-Polnet for example this is Elizabeth Shannon ( who is presenting in a chat session next week)
Bub: yes judy i read that & trusted it to be OK . i think it is I was just wondering
Judy: Some email lists are automatically saved to the web - ie all messages posted go onto the web - at one stage Ausfem-Polnet was like this and some (of the hundreds of participants) didnt know and it caused a flurry on the list when it was discussed
solveig: :) Hi david, good work on the site
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david: IRC doesnt save anything Judy unless you log it
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solveig: Hi Lise - where are you from
Lise: Adelaide
Lise: iwas on before as Petal
Lise: you have same name as my mum
solveig: Great - the metamorphosis - what I like about the internet
solveig: I went to Adelaide for WOMAD
solveig: My mother was thinking about calling me Isolda
Lise: I have heard at the next WOMAD there will be an international conference on Women's health
Lise: Isolda is not so bad i was going to be Liselotte
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dawn: Hi, who's out there in this wonderful cyberworld of women?
solveig: Hi dawn!
Lise: Are you in canberra Solveig
solveig: Yep - in body - how did you guess?
solveig: Some detective work?
Judy: sloveig - what is WOMAD?
Lise: whe you came into the room before
solveig: it's the world music festival held in adelaide every two years.
solveig: It is a brilliant event - recommend it to all... though this year went with a few people and one of them did not feel any emotional link with music... didn't enjoy it as much
Lise: David - are you the creator of this room?
dawn: I hear that WOMAD is fantastic - alhtough I've never managed to get there myself - just here the music afterwards on Music Deli
solveig: I'm sorry to go - but I have to... will try to go to the chat tomorrow to catch up...
Lise: catchya then solveig farvell
solveig: Lise - will you go to the chat tomorrow?
Lise: i'll try to get there but no so interesting tomorrow
Lise: looking forward to webgrrls videochat
solveig: Okay,,,, cheers
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scotty: Just showing this fantastic idea to a colleague
Judy: Have people had a look at the WOW! program for events in their state and territory this week?
helen: what's the latest on the list? - I've been away working
Pauline: Great Scotty show to as many people as possible
scotty: Elaine is very concerned that we will all be stuck to our keyboards and not go out and talk to people?!!!
Judy: They are sitting down to lunch now at the NSW Office of Info Technology WOW! Luncn at Australia Technology Park in Sydney
helen: are you into sharing? i'm really hungry!
Lise: i'm looking forward to chat 4 - 8
scotty: so am I and I ma off to lunch in cold Bendigo
Pauline: Elaine this is just a good way to meet people interstate and not available to go out for a chat with
Judy: Scotty and Elaine we are meeting for the first time, maybe next or sometime we will be talking..
scotty: One good thing is you can't see what we look like or the faces we may be pulling
Lise: or your smell!
scotty: But of course - roses
Pauline: It certainly puts all of us on an equal footing
helen: the issue of becoming isolated with the technology is a real one - there is a balancing act to get the positives / freedom etc and not hide ourselves away - specially for thos of us who telework on a regular basis while looking after the baby, minding the farm, doing the washing, preparing food etc
Judy: One of the chat sessions later in the week is going to deal with online dating ..
scotty: does it cross sexual boundaries
helen: keeping the flow - does anyone on line telework - what's your experience like?
scotty: Looks like I have stopped the conversation!
TTP: Helen - are you able to access a lot of telework?
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TTP: good one Scotty! - Cybermoon has left now........
Lise: what is defn of telework?
scotty: If nothing else at least we can have some fun - signing off for now
Judy: By scotty
TTP: working from a remote location
TTP: as opposed to telecommuting which means that you still have a base to which you travel sometimes
helen: good question - i call taking work home and sometimes doing it there instead of in the office - telework. i don't know how you locate other work to do - are there ads/ directories? how?
Lise: so not like when i work from home and send stuff via email
Lise: or is it?
Lise: would it include using IRC for project meetings?
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Judy: Chris Capel is going to be talking about teleworking during the regional, rural and remote women's online threaded message discussion. This discussion starts this arvo and goes until next week.
Judy: Helen - there is a teleworking web site - ie a group which tries to match those wanting to do telework with those with employment / work opportunities suitable for teleworking
TTP: OK, If you have a "real" job and you choose to take work home, this is telecommuting.
TTP: Teleworking generally doesn't involve any contact with the client or other staff
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Lise: okay i think i get it now
Lise: if i develop a website for someone who i never meet face to face but communicate by IRC, email andwhatever this is telework
Pauline: Welcome Jules
Lise: hi jules
dawn: I wouldn't have called taking work home and doing it there teleworking unless it involved use of email or whatever? Is it aparticular form of work ?
jules: Hello, I'll just sit quietly in the corner and listen
Lise: oops time for lunch
dawn: what effect will telework have on workign conditions, social interaction etc. etc., i
Lise: thanx for the chat - see you later
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dawn: well that was interesting - look forward to the rest of the week - I'm off to lunch to now - in Sunny melbourne
Judy: Toodles Dawn, chat with you later in the week..
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Judy: Housekeeping: everyone time to bring this first session to a conclusion...
Pauline: Bye for now
Alice: I'll try to log on at the beginning of the next discussion; would like to be able to set up and use this form of communication.
Judy: We need to record our appreciation to Online Australia, the federal Office of the Status of Women, to David and the Rural Research Centre at UNE for bring us together ...
Judy: Thankyou all... we might have some time zone differences ... I am ready for lunch .. hope to chat with you all later in the week.
Alice: Good bye for now
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Judy: The next sessions are the commencement of the week long discussions on women in regional, rural and remote Australia online (starting 2pm EST) today and also starting at the same time a discussion about women from a non-English Speaking Background online.
Judy: Our discussion will be on the web within a couple of hours, courtesy of David.. if you want to look back and think about what this was like - what conclusions we might draw about the technology ... it will be there.
Judy: I hope you will promote the week long program of chats and discussions through your networks.
david1: No worries Judy
Judy: Bye for now
david1: Bye all
Judy: Judy Harrison, Australian Virtual Centre for Women and the Law http://www.nwjc.org.au/avcwl
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